Chip Conley: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?

By Chip Conley | October 29, 2009

When BNET heard that hotelier Chip Conley's Facebook photos caused a mild uproar among his employees, we invited the entrepreneur to share his story. After all, usually it’s the boss that’s concerned about his staff’s social media habits, not the other way around.

I’m grappling with a question of our times: When does something splashed on Facebook or broadcast via Twitter become bad for my company? The problem is not with my staff but with me. Specifically, photos that I posted on my Facebook page in September after returning from Burning Man, the weeklong anything-goes festival. Yes, I know it isn’t the typical CEO getaway. That’s part of the problem.

First, a little bit about me. I run Joie de Vivre, a company that operates a collection of boutique hotels in California. I founded the business 22 years ago, when I was 26 and a freshly minted MBA from Stanford. The first property I bought was a pay-by-the hour motel in a seedy part of San Francisco. People told me I was crazy to buy it, but I transformed it into a world-renowned rock ’n‘ roll hotel. Today, Joie de Vivre is a $230 million company with more than 3,000 employees and 38 properties. From the luxury spa resort in Big Sur to the urban chic hotel in San Francisco and a surfer-inspired hotel in Huntington Beach, our mission statement is simple: to celebrate the joy of life.

And that’s precisely what I was doing at Burning Man, which, incidentally, I have attended twice before in the past decade, before this social media problem existed. I went with a close friend. She took a ton of pictures, and when I got home to San Francisco, I posted six of them, two of which show me shirtless. In one I’m wearing a tutu; in the other a sarong.

Only recently has my personal Facebook page become very personal. My PR agency set it up along with a fan page in February, rightly arguing that it was good for promoting the company and my latest book, Peak: How Great Companies Get Their Mojo from Maslow. I accepted pretty much anyone who “friended” me, including plenty of employees, and gradually I began posting the usual Facebook fodder — links to articles, quick takes on books, emotional missives. My profile picture — a business-casual blazer-and-collared-shirt look — was uploaded by my PR team as well. I swapped it out in favor of a shirtless shot of me in a parking lot at Burning Man.


Chip Conley Facebook Profile Photos
The two faces of Chip Conley on Facebook.

I’m just not a blazer kind of guy. I consider myself a rebel. My first book —The Rebel Rules: Daring to Be Yourself in Business — preaches the value of authenticity in business, of being true to yourself. So a few pictures on my Facebook page that show me having a good time? I honestly didn’t give it a second thought.

I had, however, given thought as to how others at my company use social media, and this is where the whole thing gets a little messy. In fact, the issue of my pictures came up as we were creating a social media policy and seeking input from our cultural ambassadors. Our ambassadors are employees who are elected by their peers to represent each hotel; they work on such efforts as local philanthropy, employee recognition programs, and, lately, social media policies. It’s a role I instituted about 12 years ago after reading about how Southwest Airlines had cultural ambassadors who served as representatives between field offices and headquarters. Joie de Vivre was growing fast, and I was concerned about keeping our culture intact.

I learned from my head of HR that four of our cultural ambassadors had fielded complaints from young staff members who, odd as it sounded to me, looked up to me, almost like a father figure. And, well, they didn’t like seeing their father in a tutu. I also learned that staffers were concerned about some of my Twitter musings, in which I expressed anguish over the demise of an eight-year relationship. Somehow, all this seemed inappropriate for a CEO with thousands of employees.

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The feedback I got was that it looked like I was setting a double standard by creating a policy for everyone at the company except me. My HR chief suggested that I consider taking down the two pictures where I’m shirtless. My reaction was swift: “Screw that,” I said. “People who don’t like it can go work at Marriott.”

And yet, I’ve begun to see her point. I don’t want to create tension at the company or be viewed as a hypocrite. In fact, she and my head of public relations prevailed on me to keep the most controversial shots out of this article. The rebel in me balked. I honestly don’t care who sees my photos from Burning Man. But I reconsidered. I decided I don’t want an important discussion about social media and business to be sidelined by a hot-or-not type photo gallery of me.

Even so, I still plan to stick to my guns, practice what I preach about authenticity, and keep the photos on my Facebook page. Some of my people said my pictures are sexually suggestive, but I don’t see it. No one complained when I dressed in drag at a holiday party seven years ago, although pictures never made their way to the Web. And I doubt anyone would be complaining if my pictures were from a beach vacation.

Besides, the company’s social media policy is mainly designed to protect the privacy of our guests. If Jimmy Carter or Megan Fox stays at one of our hotels, I want to make sure the staff knows not to post photos on Facebook or blab about it on Twitter. The policy applies to the employees and their own behavior, but that’s less of an issue, so long as they’re not damaging the image of the company in public.

And this is where I can get into trouble. What, exactly, does it take to damage the image of the company? Sometimes it’s straightforward — employees can’t, for example, write about trade secrets — but other times, it’s not. What if pictures emerge of a desk host drinking from a beer bong at a football game, or decked out in an S&M getup at an underground club? I’d have no problem with that, although I know plenty of CEOs who would. To me, that’s an employee’s private life. Take it a step farther — the employee is shown stealing municipal signs, for instance — and I would have a problem with it. Even worse would be if that employee is wearing a Joie de Vivre shirt. In other words, it’s a case-by-case basis.

So as for a double standard, I don’t buy it. I do think it’s important that companies have a social media policy, and I don’t think I violated the one my company just rolled out. Should a CEO be held to a different standard? Let me know what you think is right.

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RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
Chip-
From one Chip to another, authenticity is where it's at. If I were working for you, it would tell me that you are what (and who) you say you are. After leading people for 25 years in the Navy, that's what people respected most - I was what I appeared to be and they knew what they could expect. Keep being you and showing others it's okay to let go and have some fun!
-Chip Lutz
Covenant Leadership
www.covenantleadership.com
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cwlutz@...
11/03/2009 12:50 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
You're a CEO representing a hotel chain with millions in annual revenue. You have years of experience in corporate politics. What do you think is appropriate or not for your investors and customers? But thank goodness I see most CEO's as corporate cannon fodder and transparent pep-talk experts. *cough*
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selfishy_me@...
11/03/2009 12:55 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
I think it depends on the company.

Your success is because you have been true to yourself; an example that many could benefit from following. You did not achieve success from listening to others' perceptions of what is right for you or your company.

Don't stop trusting your gut now. Your gut is still accurate.

Personally, if some of the people think you musing about an ended 8 year relationship is an issue they believe you are somehow not human or perfect. It is their perception of you and not your actions that could use an adjustment.

I did not read any of your musings. If it sounded as if you were coming unhinged or were so focused on the loss of the relationship that your hand on the helm might be shaky that is one thing. If you are merely expressing human emotions I think that is great. To me, a highly successful individual displaying human traits helps me see that I, too, could achieve such success.

As far as my opinion on employee posts, I think each individual has a choice - do you identify your employer on accounts such as facebook or not? If you do then you have a different standard to uphold than someone who does not identify their employer (but who would still have concerns about a potential employer judging them based on what is on their page).

Additionally, if you were the CEO of a stoggy old company, perhaps one that handles "old money" the answer to your questions would be different as your clients would have a different expectation. I think a Maverick who stops being who/what he is has taken the first step towards failure.

Have fun. Enjoy life.
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Joyous_LadyJ
11/03/2009 12:56 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
As President and Senior Partner of a small Canadian management/technology consulting firm, I feel Chip's pain.

Our clients tell us they choose us partly for our creativity and out of the box thinking in helping them develop long-term technology strategies and vendor selections that are a cultural fit. To do this, we are using our non-work skills, like me being a Second City Improv graduate, or former musician, and not just my strateic thinking, engineering and consulting capabilities.

Many businesses today have the product as the people, not just rooms, cars, or other 'hard' products. This being the case, it is getting harder to draw the line between work and play, and what right we as employers have to tell our folks what to do or say outside of work hours.

The Net is...we as leaders HAVE to ensure that our companies (disregarding size) have defined guidelines and policies in the various social media so that our employees, customers, sharedholders etc. understand. It is expensive and takes a long time to build a well respected brand, and is too fast to destroy if not managed properly.

Re: your dual identity pictures Chip....As a conservative Canadian female, I don't consider them obscene, and say keep them! Just add a caption about 'the human side of our CEO'!
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roberta.fox@...
11/03/2009 12:58 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
I applaud you for your stance! I must add that as an employee I would hope that my boss would respect my private life as much as you do. I do agree that it is on a case by case basis, but you're right, a vacation picture in which you are doing nothing wrong or immoral, and in fact are only enjoying your time off should not be persecuted! Keep it up, Chip, and let me know if you ever need a Business Development Director, I would certainly love to work in that corporate culture!
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juubie
11/03/2009 12:59 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
This is a difficult situation. I like that you are open about your
life and that you respect your people enough to allow them to
be themselves in public without being overly protective of your
company brand. The problem arises when your idea of personal
freedoms conflicts with one of your employees. One man's
Burning Man is another's **** Fight! At this point almost
anything you disapprove of will be tossed back at you with that
pic in a tutu. Discretion as they say...
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restellstrategic
11/03/2009 01:00 PM
Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook
Hello Chip,
The correct question should be "Should I PUT My Burning Man Pics ON Facebook?"
Recall that facebook is on the Internet and the second you write your pics and thoughts to that site, they become property of every stranger and potential client. You must know being a CEO that putting this stuff on the Internet can be off-putting to some and possibly cost you business. To others it is somehow gratifying to have your company. To ask the question about taking pictures off facebook is like wondering if you can erase tire tracks by backing up.
Too late.
This is a good lesson in judgment.
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Alan C.
11/03/2009 01:01 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
My suggestion: make your policy very specific. That is, state explicitly, for example, that if an employee posts a photo of themselves (or someone else) performing an illegal activity (e.g., stealing a municipal sign), they are in violation of the policy...Likewise, if the employee posts something malicious in nature that does harm to another (see the gov't guidelines on harassment for this one), then they are in violation. Be sure to outline specifically what can happen if the employee violates the policy (e.g., termination).
However, beyond that, there's this wonderful thing called the 1st Amendment that grants all of us freedom of speech in this country. I'd suggest that your shirtless photo falls in the boundaries of that amendment. Wouldn't it be nice if more CEOs in this country had the guts to do the same?
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reedj
11/03/2009 01:05 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
Dude-keep the pictures up. Communicate with staff and customers. Do what you've always done: take things forward with a fresh view, a strong commitment to change.

And let me know if/when you'd like to come speak to my Executive MBA students here at the University of San Francisco about JDV, BM, or anything else.

I'll look for you on the playa.

Vijay
Vijay Mehrotra [vmehrotra@usfca.edu]
Associate Professor, Department of Finance and Quantitative Analytics
School of Business and Professional Studies
University of San Francisco
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vijaymehrotra
11/03/2009 01:07 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
I feel that as long as you're not breaking the law...you're good!

Then concerning revealing celebrities whereabouts at your hotel, it's straightforward to not disclose any information on them while on the job (I mean anyone who isn't working could witness the celebrity there anyways and broadcast it to the world, aren't they in the public?).

Drinking at the club and having a good time at Burning Man is your own business. It's not breaking the law, you're having fun "to celebrate the joy of life". I don't see a problem.

-Chris Ha
www.contourhooligans.com
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hawsome
11/03/2009 01:09 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
Being in the recruitment business for arts & culture organizations, posting any pictures on social media sites has become problematic -- employers can discriminate based on gender, age, race, etc. Our feeling about CEO's posting personal pix is negative -- it might impact how current employees perceive the leader and discourage great talent from becoming part of your organization. We tell all our candidates to dress appropriately and be professional All best, Geri Thomas, President, Thomas & Associates, Inc., New York and Chicago, www.artstaffing.com
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gthomas@...
11/03/2009 01:10 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
Chip,

This post struck a note for me. We are increasingly living in a world where the boundaries between home and business are blurring. I believe we need to update our customs accordingly.

In the past what was done with home, family and friends could be completely separate from work but now work constantly comes home and invades 'home' time and personal interests? impact business since the web sites & communication are no longer easily separated.

I believe you hit the right notes - identify what are the 'standards of the business' and ask/require people when they are at business or doing things related or that can be identified back to the business, they need to follow these standards. Anything outside of this should be considered personal and not the purview of the business.

Unfortunately, people don't really compartmentalize when they think about each other & the businesses they deal with. Thus, if a leader in a business is doing something that someone (anyone) considers personally unacceptable then they will associate that action with the business even if the action would be ok by ?general standards (whatever that means)?. So there is no good answer except people need to grow up & realize that our business leaders are also human and have home lives and that what they do on their personal time doesn?t reflect on their business.

In this specific instance however, with the facebook account, since this was setup by your business PR and was designed to give the ?front? to the business that this account should be treated as if it was a business communication and would lean towards a conservative approach. If this was truly a personal facebook account that you intended to be shared with friends & family to share your personal life then I?d say ? run free in the tutu ?

Hope the perspective is helpful.
Ben
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benram
11/03/2009 01:11 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
Hi
from Saudi girl ( maybe not important ), hold the stick from the
middle. Have fun in a way that keeps you fresh and respectable
as any human been. with respect Dina
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Dinajambi
11/03/2009 01:12 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
Sorry Mr. Rebel you are now "the man" and I without insult, you are older than you think relative to your employees. (Probably most of your employees are younger than your children). While you are still young and vital your young employees see you in a different light than your age peers.

I suggest you de-link your work facebook from your personal facebook.

I may not be rich and famous, but I do have a small public reputation, and my personal Facebook is a way different place (for real friends) from my LinkedIn site and my blog which are for my students and colleagues.
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tomrogers6
11/03/2009 01:14 PM
RE: A CEO?s Dilemma: Should I Take My Burning Man Pics off Facebook?
I did not read any of your musings. I feel that you made yourself my human the kind of guy who does know how to enjoy life. Something are personal and something are business in other words when you are at work you are keeping things business but when you are away sure you have a personal life and you deserve to have fun. I don't find your facebook picture without your shirt to offensive in,fact, I think that it's tasteful now those finding anything wrong with it they have their minds drifting somewhere else. I mean if you were coming out the pool and you wrapped a towel around you it would still be the same picture so what is the big deal.
You are talking about your personal life we talk about people in the public all the time the world is always intersted in the rich and famous life you just happen to tell yours on your own rahter than rumors bing started. Adn if I were an employee I wouldn't worry about how you choose to talk about your personal and human life as long as business was business and you handled it as such. People find the crazies things to get upset about you be you and keep doing you.
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tonya628
11/03/2009 01:14 PM
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