Five Hard Truths About the MBA

By Geoffrey James | October 16, 2007

For years, an MBA degree has been seen as a first-class ticket to the management fast track. Some spend $100,000 or more to earn the degree, confident that it will propel their career into overdrive — and often that’s not an unreasonable expectation. To many hiring managers, an MBA on the resume is a sure sign that the candidate has long-term, corner-office potential.

To a growing number of critics, though, the once-golden MBA is quickly losing its luster. There’s a quiet revolt brewing against MBA programs, and the barbarians at the gate aren’t outsiders but rather the B-school academic elite.

When it comes to the practical value of the degree, the once-lonely voices of dissent have, in recent years, grown into a chorus of criticism. Among their accusations: The degree is over-hyped, MBA curricula are out of touch with real-world demands, and many programs have a culture that turns a blind eye to cheating. If the business world starts paying attention to these naysayers, that $100,000 tuition or the decision to pay big bucks to hire an MBA may start looking like less of a sound investment. Here’s the latest critical thinking about the MBA and implications for managers and companies that depend on them most.

Hard Truth No. 1: The ROI isn’t what it used to be.

Writing in a research piece for “The Academy of Management Learning and Education” several years ago, two business school professors, Jeffrey Pfeffer of Stanford and Christina Fong of the University of Washington, dropped this bomb on academia: “What data there are suggest that business schools are not very effective. Neither possessing an MBA degree nor grades earned in courses correlate with career success.”

The report debunked many of the traditional claims of B-school recruiters. Pfeffer and Fong cited multiple studies that, for instance, compared the salaries earned by MBAs with their nondegreed peers. All research concluded that although MBA grads earned higher starting salaries than college grads, midcareer MBAs saw no salary boost after earning the degree. Some studies even found that those who pursued an MBA full time suffered from the disruption in their employment.

The 2002 paper kicked up a storm of protest that hasn’t let up. Many in the business education community have cited other studies suggesting that an MBA is still a good investment. Salaries for MBA grads began to rebound in 2005, perhaps indicating the downturn had more to do with the economy than the value of the degree.

Pfeffer and Fong, however, remain unconvinced, in part because of skyrocketing costs. As Pfeffer explained to BNET, “The overall cost of education has risen so much over the past 15 years that it’s become unclear whether it makes sense to overburden yourself with expenses and loans in order to secure the possibility of a greater salary in the future.”

Indeed, many students enter into an MBA program without any idea whether it will be a decent investment, according to Anna Ivey, a former dean of admissions at the University of Chicago Law School who now counsels graduate students on career choices.

“Undergraduates in various fields frequently ask me if earning an MBA will make them more hirable or land them a bigger salary when they get their first job,” she said. “But based upon what I’ve seen, if [an MBA] is something that you’re doing because you want to make more money, rather than because you’re really interested in how businesses function, you’ll probably be disappointed.”

Hard Truth No. 2: The training has become too theoretical.

It’s not just basic cost-benefit analysis that’s bringing the MBA under greater scrutiny. Some critics argue that even top business schools aren’t adequately preparing students to be effective managers.

In his 2004 book “Managers Not MBAs: A hard look at the soft practice of managing and management development,” Henry Mintzberg dropped another bomb: “The MBA trains the wrong people in the wrong ways with the wrong consequences,” the professor of management studies at McGill University writes, echoing concerns about the impracticality of MBA training that had been bouncing around corporate America for years.

Since then, other critics have weighed in, arguing that there’s too much emphasis on management theory and too little on developing practical skills. For instance, Howard Stevens, CEO of the HR Chally Group consulting firm, explains that “only a handful of academic institutions — around 45 out of more than 700 — offer significant training in sales, even though success in sales is the most important determinant of a firm’s ultimate success.”

Others, too, suggest that when it comes to practical versus theoretical curricula, supply and demand is out of whack: Linda Richardson, the founder of Philadelphia-based Richardson, one of the largest sales training firms in the United States, also teaches how-to sales courses at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. She says MBA students are hungry for more training.

“We limit our program to 15 students,” Richardson says, “and every quarter I get dozens of emails pleading to get in and students waiting at the door to see if anybody drops out. The reluctance among some business schools to address real-world business needs is really doing a disservice to their student body.”

Business schools are beginning to respond to these concerns. In the past two years, Yale and Stanford implemented sweeping changes to their MBA curricula, allowing students to tailor their coursework based on previous work experience and career goals.

Hard Truth No. 3: Some of the people skills needed to be a manager today can’t be taught in the business school environment.

Both the Pfeffer/Fong paper and Mintzberg’s book were highly critical of how universities had, over the past two decades, repositioned the MBA concept. Originally designed to teach corporate finance and the mechanics of manufacturing and supply chains, MBA programs now promise to teach students to be competent managers.

The premise is slightly ridiculous, says Pfeffer. “If you go into law or medicine or architecture, you’re expected to go into a residency or apprenticeship before you’re allowed to practice on your own,” he explains, “Unfortunately, business schools pretend that any student with an MBA should be a great manager right out the gate, regardless of real-world experience.” He notes that while many MBA students have worked in business, many of them have never managed people and thus lack the perspective to apply the management theory that they learn.

Management is just too complex a human behavior to be effectively taught in a classroom environment, according to Ray Tsai, M.D., an MBA candidate at the Wharton School. “You could take a class titled Managing People at Work, where you discuss different theories on behavior, motivation, etc., and do reasonably well academically. But if you don’t have some significant experience working with, above, or below other people, you will not really appreciate the full extent of the material.”

In the worst cases, the notion that MBAs automatically make great managers can convince people who don’t have management potential that they have the ability when their talents would be better utilized elsewhere.

“What’s really missing in MBA programs is a sense of purpose,” says Pfeffer, citing the reasons people seek advanced degrees in law, medicine, or engineering. “With an MBA, it seems that the main motivation is the ability to max out your 401(k) contribution, and that’s just not good enough to make you a good manager.”

Hard Truth No. 4: MBA programs propagate management fads.

In 2006, an “Atlantic Monthly” article lambasted management theory, the very heart of the MBA curriculum. Authored by Matthew Stewart, the former founder of a management consulting group, “The Management Myth” poked holes in the history of management studies and made a compelling case that the attempt to turn management into a science had generated little more than a series of self-contradictory opinions. For example, he notes that all management theory tends to fall into one of two categories: rationalist (manage by the numbers) and humanist (inspire and empower), even though the two approaches result in diametrically different management behaviors.

Stewart also took MBA programs to task for promulgating what he called “such gems of vacuity as: ‘[business process reengineering] is taking a blank sheet of paper to your business!’ and ‘BPR means rethinking everything, everything!”

Academics countered with accusations that Stewart was conflating MBA training with management fads. However, the curriculum posted on the Harvard Business School website immediately reveals a wealth of Dilbertesque biz-blab. For example, one course promises to teach students how to address “cannibalization, network externalities, and globalization” and “generate superior value for customers by designing the optimum configuration of the product mix and functional activities.” Say what?

The incorporation of management fads into the MBA curriculum lessens the usefulness of the degree because, in practice, these pop theories often are more disruptive than helpful. “You know how it goes, the same company that did quality circles is now doing re-engineering,” complains Frank Ingari, chairman of Purkinje, a provider of practice management services to physicians. “Did they ever connect those two concepts?”

Hard Truth No. 5: The pressure to succeed inside MBA programs has weakened safeguards against cheating.

The year 2006 also saw publication of a landmark study, funded by the Academy of Management Learning and Education, revealing that 56 percent of MBA candidates admitted to cheating. It turns out that MBA candidates are plagiarizing, copying from other students, and bringing prohibited materials to exams in much higher numbers than nonbusiness graduate students. The implication was clear: MBA programs were unwittingly encouraging, or at least tolerating, the kind of behavior that ultimately results in Enron or WorldCom-type scandals.

The real problem may lie in the mindset that accompanies the MBA experience, according to Linda Klebe Trevino, a professor of management and organization at the Penn State Smeal College of Business and a co-author of the report on cheating. “An MBA is often seen as a ticket to more lucrative employment, so perhaps getting the degree is more important to them than the knowledge gained along the way,” she explains. “Along the same lines, it may be a ‘bottom-line’ mentality — that performance is what matters, not how you get there.”

That’s a dangerous perspective that’s made worse by the general failure of business schools to do much to catch and punish cheaters, according to Pfeffer. “If a student is caught cheating, the professor risks being accused of persecuting the student,” he explains. “The accusation is then passed through a review board consisting mostly of students. And in the unlikely event that the student is found guilty, [he or she] is simply given a slap on the wrist — like a one-quarter suspension, rather than expulsion.”

The risk to the professor’s career often is not worth the effort. Pfeffer adds, “What’s resulted is a tolerance of behaviors that, in their larger manifestations, are poisoning the American corporation.”

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MBA poetry
MBAs give what one puts into them while earning them and braving the attempt to implement theory. But clearly they do not teach enough real-world. This can only happen by introducing chaos and power vacuums into the curriculum.
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tbrdpritts
10/19/2007 08:09 AM
Some programs are very applied
I agree but would suggest that team exercises work very well. University of Tennessee's Just-in-Time curriculum from mid-1990s used teams of students acting on corporate situations with elements from appropriate disciplines "just-in-time" to learn first semester: "You're Daddy just Died (and left you the business)" - how to hold a gong concern together, second semester: "So you wanna be an entrepreneur" and last two semesters: "Getting ahead in corporate America and World." I made my students in Statistics form companies and 3-5 of them as officers use TQM techniques to do all the planning and track their own results. Much superior learning to "talking heads" but I couldn't find a text book and had to provide materials from 30 years in business. If anyone wnats them I'll pass along
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Pete Malpass
10/23/2007 06:00 AM
Response to additional materials
Hello Pete,

You have offered to send materials along. As I just posted, I am in an MBA program and also own my own business. I would greatly enjoy any additional information you could pass along. I am on the student board of advisors for an Entrepreneur Roundtable at my school, and we are catching the ear of the administrators, who are asking us for suggestions on what classes we'd like to have. If you are willing, you can send the info. to my business email: kate@cmackphoto.com.
Thanks!
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kfrey001
10/23/2007 10:45 AM
request for materials
Thanks for your honest comment.

I teach in a small college. Can I have your materials?Please email to me at rhenozo.barte@up.edu.ph

Thanks
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rhenozo.barte@...
10/25/2007 03:43 AM
JIT learning
I like your method and ideas of using practical and actual examples to teach methods used in modern business today. I am currently enrolled (and blessfully almost done) with my MBA. I love the material and the course, but it's too hard to learn what is actually going on. I had toyed with the idea of presenting my alma mater with the notion of creating a fictional company and business students would start at the bottom in the business curriculum (Business 101) and culminating in the capstone course. Students would take the company from the beginning business plan presentation and take it all the way through, all the while using current business trends and theories that are in use today. The same could be and should be readily applied to all MBA courses, making them more relevant to businesses today.
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aaronsmith3
01/02/2008 08:10 AM
Really?
These articles always infuriate me. They are as useful as the garbage I can't recycle. Its very easy to get on the bandwagon of 'lets hit out at the MBA schools and students'. The ones who do it are hypocrites of the highest order. These articles always make it sound as if the problem is a recent creation, "Oh it wasn't like that in our days. What a travesty!'.

Let?s take these points one at a time.

1. The ROI isn't what it used to be.
This is most probably true. My question here is, So what? Why repeat something that is true and most people know it. I don't think anyone goes into a MBA these days thinking they would have the same ROI people had 10-20 years ago. And how can you expect the ROI to be the same in a fast moving, turbulent world where everything is changing anyways? Its a useless argument to bring to the table.

2. The training has become too theoretical.
Again, this is a reflection of what is happening all around. The very academics, experts and management consultants giving their views in this article have written books and published hundreds of papers that give credence to analytical thinking, strategic decision making, two dimensional matrices, neatly tabulated and categorised reasons and answers. And then they blame the schools for not teaching the basic 'how to do it' rules? If management is something that needs working with your hands, getting to do dirty work, then please stop writing about it as if execution doesn't matter and what happens on the drawing board is all that is truly important. The blame lies with these so called experts.

3. Some of the people skills needed today can't be taught in the business school
Wow, really? Isn't this a no-brainer! When can any degree teach you about people skills anyways? If someone stopped me on the road and asked me for advice on how to sharpen people skills, I wouldn't in my wildest dreams have said 'You know what? In the good old days you could simply go to a business school. But times are bad, my lad! Those schools are simply not what they used to be' The truth is that a degree wasn't ever supposed to do that, so lets not blame the schools for it.

4. The MBA programs propagate Management fads.
Contradictory and hypocritical! On the one hand we blame the business schools for teaching us theories on scientific management that were probably true 50 years ago and then we blame them for teaching management fads that are more relevant today. I say, give it a rest! Every degree has a bit of history and a bit of what is relevant to ensuring your present and future. What is a fad anyways? We make it a fad, all of us. We are all doing it, adopting fads in our daily lives everyday. The MBA programs are simply part of that factory, not apart from it. So please don't make it sound like they cannot be excused for it.

5. The pressures of succeeding at the MBA have weakened safeguards against cheating.
Right. Everyone knows what is being hinted at. Clearly all those Chinese students are top of any school's plagiarizing headaches. But come on. The fact is that these students come from a very competitive society. For them, only the fittest survive. They don't have the smothering governments and social institutions in their countries who will tolerate under-performers and further support them with benefits, social service, council flats and cash allowances. The people who cheat do it because they have had a constant fight for basic security and resources in their lives. So, who can we blame here - the schools for not having safeguards or the mentality that the MBA is a ticket to lucrative employment. The answer is neither. The schools should not need safeguards and the so-called bottom line mentality doesn't actually exist; it is a myth. The attraction is not lucrative employment, but the freedom from inequality and deprivation. The blame, if any, is on the outside world: the businesses that always take rank and performance in school as an indicator, sometimes a pre-requirement, of being capable to perform their jobs. As a society, we have created these rules to separate the wheat from the chaff. And quite frankly, those rules have always existed. The cheaters, rule breakers are simply survivors and every generation has its own. If businesses want the more practical, street smart people who can make stuff happen, then the cheaters fit the bill more than anyone else. The safeguards for any moral values are needed in the society, in our business, at homes. We cannot give schools all the accountability for it.

My whole point is you cannot have a complete, fair, all encompassing, theoretical yet practical education. The MBA is far from perfect, but it is just a degree. The only important thing is that people should personalise their MBAs. You should take what you want from it and as long as you do that, and the school allows you to personalise the experience, then there are no problems.
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justmyviews
10/19/2007 08:12 AM
BNET Blogger
Gee....
Just out of curiosity, how much did your MBA set you back?

And if you used it to get into a management position, how's the angry attitude working for you? Just curious.

And what was all that stuff about Chinese students? I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Geoffrey James, Sales Machine
10/19/2007 02:43 PM
Re: Gee
The anger is directed to all those so called experts mentioned in your article who analyse and write about management as if it is some science and then complain that current management education is doing bad.

Yes, I have been to a management program myself. But I was smart enough to understand that it was part of social studies and not a science. I got what I wanted from it and no, I did not go into it thinking that oodles of money was waiting magically on graduation.

As for the cheating on the programs, if you would delve into those numbers and reasons you would find that most of the cheating on these courses is being blamed on foreign students and a majority of them come from non-English speaking nations such as China. My entire point is that the managament schools should not need to have safeguards in place, so where is the question of them having to put enough safeguards?

As for my attitude, it is serving me very well indeed. I am known to be a straight talker and I won't talk about things I don't know about. I think your article wasn't complete and I know many others who would agree with what I had to say. I hope there is nothing wrong in others expressing their views?

Also let me make it clear, my anger is not directed towards you. You have done a much better job on your other article about what Executives have to say about MBAs. That is a much better article with more balanced views. So thank you for that.
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justmyviews
10/20/2007 03:15 AM
BNET Blogger
Foreign Students
During the research for this article I did not see a single reference to foreign students as an issue. Quite the contrary.

The main thrust of the irritation seemed to be directed at upper-middle class white students born in the U.S.A., many of whom apparently feel entitled to everything, and who therefore believe that they're justified in cheating.

The place where I've heard a lot of flack about foreign students is when writing elsewhere about engineering degrees, and there the complaint is that U.S. students aren't going into engineering and, when they do, they're consistently outperformed by foreign students, many of whom have a better background in science and math than those educated in America's touchy-feely public school system.

So I really think you're off-base on that particular point, at least as far as the article is concerned. I'm not denying that there haven't been racist remarks bandied about in some quarters when it comes to foreign students, though. Just that it's not part of the article, so I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't read racism into my work.
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Geoffrey James, Sales Machine
10/22/2007 06:45 AM
Re: Foreign Students
I wasn't trying to read anything racially biased in your article. However, I do know that in schools where the international student intake is high, foreign students are often associated with plagiarising content. And I agree with you, this is unfair. In my personal experience most of them are hardworking, and more open to change and respectful of different points of view even though they may sometimes struggle to put their views across.

Each one of us is a manager, in personal or professional life. Management requires a broad set of competencies and a lifetime can't be enough to claim mastery at one. I think it?s just unfair to blame the schools for not doing so in 1 or 2 years. I am not saying that these schools can?t improve on their programs; I just think for people (potential students and recruiters alike) who know what they want, they will be able to find a management school out there that will give it to them.
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justmyviews
10/22/2007 03:04 PM
Foreign Students
I think that Geoffrey James got a point there...
1. Blaming on the foreign student and pointing finger especially to Chinese is totally racial. When I did my MBA, some of the cheaters was chinese, but the majority of cheaters had blonde hair and blue eyes (FYI, I am not chinese, but yes, I was a foreigner, and a lot of foreigner did not cheat, not in my class at least).
2. As for plagiarizing, I agree that my chinese friend had a tendency of plagiarizing but that mostly because they did not know that copying and pasting is not "correct" (this is true especially for those that just come directly from mainland china). However, once you "educate" them, they learn hard not to do it. It never is about race, its just about the different mindset that they have...
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irawan.wibisono@...
10/23/2007 05:53 PM
PLAGIARISM: NON-RACIAL ACADEMIC IMPROPRIETY
Now finally we are seeing a more impartial and sensible discussion. Plagiarism indeed has nothing to do with race or nationality; it has more a conception and understanding of the rules governing academic impropriety. Below is a link to an article ?STUDENT PLAGIARISM AND CHEATING IN AN IT AGE? by Dr. Karl O. Jones, Dr. Juliet M. V. Reid and Dr. Rebecca Bartlett of which provides a better insights to the issues related to plagiarism.

http://ecet.ecs.ru.acad.bg/cst05/Docs/cp/sIV/IV.8.pdf
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regaliathai@...
10/24/2007 12:05 AM
Survival of What?
Ironic that "survival of the fittest" is the term applied to cheaters. Their behavior clearly makes them one of the "less fit."
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LWeller2
04/30/2008 09:30 AM
My 2cents...
After reading this article and the subsequent thread I contemplated on what
and how I should add to this discussion. I think that have recently completed
my MBA this year on a very International MBA programme I have quite a
substantial experience. I understand what the author is implicating, because
this is echoed frequently in the business world, but 'adityatuli@...' made some
excellent and very intelligent counter arguments. One of the major
misunderstandings is that this article appears to have been written based on
an American perspective, whereas my guess would be that the following
comments were made from someone outside the US. Having lived in the US
for many years before returning to Europe where I took my MBA the difference
in culture and understanding are vast. I would expect that most MBA
programmes in the US are populated by Americans and most enter prior to
even getting their first job, whereas in Europe for example, most MBAs are
populated by students from countries all over the world and very often the
classes are much smaller than those in the US. For example we had a small
class, but with 12 different nationalities and the average age was 32, so you
can imagine that there was quite a lot of real world experience.
I think that this article takes the perverbial paintbrush to all MBA programmes
and paints them all the same colour. This is far from the reality that is out
there. When I decided to pursue an MBA I did not want a 'traditional or typical'
MBA programme that had 200 people in the class, I searched for one that had
80% mix of international students and a class size of under 30 students. Why,
because I wanted a personal learning experience. I wanted to learn the
business skills, the methodology, the fads, the people skills, the MBA box of
tools, but I also wanted to learn not only through interrogation of the
Professors but also from working with the other students, learning from their
experience and their cultures.
If I was to apply this article to the MBA programme that I particpated, it
wouldn't make sense and this is what I believe 'adityatuli' tried to point out,
the article is a generalisation of MBA programmes and would go further to say
it's an American generalisation of American MBA programmes. Does this
make me racist, I do not think so. In addition to the comments regarding
Foreign Students, so I would partly agree with adityatuli's comments on the
reasons why some foreign students behave the way they do, there are very
many cultural traits that we from the West do not yet understand about
cultures from the East. I also think there was a misunderstanding that
occurred between the author and adityatuli. On our programme we had an
experience where someone was caught cheating and causing problems. The
student was Indian, he had received warnings, was exposed to an enquiry,
dismissed, appealed and subsequently removed from the programme. I only
wish that this type of process could be implemented in the real business
world, if it was then maybe Enron and Worldcom would not have happened,
because it seems that B-Schools are much more efficient at catching cheaters
than the real world of business.

I do believe that this website is open to a global audience, could you please
vet your articles to be sure that you represent a global perspective, or the
basis of your research, indicate so in the text, so in this case the research
appeared to be about American MBAs rather than International MBAs so we
should expect to read something like "5 Hard truths about American MBAs",
thus avoiding further misunderstanding.

Best Regards,
Phil
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philip.pickard@...
10/23/2007 04:30 AM
education is more from peers than classroom
My father was a Dean, VP Academic Affairs, and later President of an American state university. He said that you learn more from those you go to school with than in classroom and from texts. The importance of education is not what you learn in the classroom but how you use it, and you learn to use it from your peers, not the professor. It made sense to me. Therefore, when teaching - always force students to work with each other and as often as possible - outside of their comfort zones. That's more like the world of managing!
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10/23/2007 06:15 AM
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