How to Outsource Your Manufacturing to China

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  anzbevrct06/10/08 Report as spam
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  Base your local company in Hong Kong

  When setting up a local company, it's best to base it in Hong Kong. Chinese law is incredibly complex, and almost incomprehensible for most US/Europe lawyers, but in Hong Kong the British-based common law can still be used, which is far more compatible with US/European law.

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  Geoffrey James, Sales Machine06/11/08 Report as spam
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  Excellent Idea...

  Some companies have also deployed in Taiwan to the same effect, but there you've got a risk of political problems between the two governments.

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  DirectorofProduction06/10/08 Reported as spam
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  RE: How to Outsource Your Manufacturing to China

  What about Mexico?

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  Geoffrey James, Sales Machine06/11/08 Report as spam
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  What about it?

  Mexico wasn't the thrust of the article. It's probably a good idea for BNET to say something about outsourcing there. Personally, I'd like something about outsourcing in Africa, since I have two Ethiopian children.

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  Thomas091106/10/08 Reported as spam
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  RE: How to Outsource Your Manufacturing to China

  90% of the notebooks are manufactured by Taiwan companies.
  Over 90% of these notebooks are manufactured in factories set up by Taiwan companies in China.
  Even R&D are being outsourced to Taiwan.(OEM to ODM)
  What does it tell you?

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  bricheun06/11/08 Report as spam
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  90%? are you sure?

  Are you 90%?
  Thats alot! I believe the notebooks are made up of modules such as LCD, casing , motherboard, etc. Most are made in China, some are consigned and some made by taiwanese factories. Probably assembled in factories such as Leonovo(Chinese), flextronics(American?) and foxconn(taiwanese).

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  Geoffrey James, Sales Machine06/11/08 Report as spam
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  Your figures are off

  Actually, Legend (which includes the old IBM PC division) does most of its manufacturing on the mainland. I think you're thinking of Acer, which has a large OEM and private-label business.
  
  Laptop manufacturing is usually dispersed, with sub-assemblies put together in places like Malaysia, the basic systems assembled in China or Taiwan, and the final assembly and software installation in the region where it's to be sold.
  
  Oddly, I know a great deal about this because I used to cover all the Asian PC manufacturers for Technology Business Research and had to write a one page analysis of each of their manufacturing strategies every quarter.

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  Thomas091106/11/08 Report as spam
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  It's not just about the 90% numbers

  According to IDC survey, 90 millions out of the 107 million sets of global notebook PC shipment were munufactured by Taiwan ODM vendors such as Wistron, Honghai, and Quanta.
  
  And, please note, it's ODM not OEM. They are designed and manufatured by Taiwan vendors while Apple, Thinkpad, Dell, HP own the brands.

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  Geoffrey James, Sales Machine06/11/08 Report as spam
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  I think you may have it wrong.

  I dug around and couldn't find the IDC study you referenced, so I sent an email to the president of TBR (a research group that focuses very deeply on the PC market) requesting that he ask an analyst what's the right story.
  
  I think that you may be confusing "manufactured in Taiwan" with "manufactured by companies headquartered in Taiwan." And even then the number seems high.

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  Geoffrey James, Sales Machine06/12/08 Report as spam
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  Notebook manufacturing

  Here's the straight scoop, from John Spooner, one of the analysts at TBR.
  
  I don't know about the 95% figure. I think that's a bit inflated. But I'm sure that more than 3/4 of the unit volume goes through the top 10 ODMs in Taiwan.
  
  I would respond by saying that the vast majority of notebooks are indeed manufactured by ODMs based in Taiwan. (The ODMs have shifted a large percentage of their manufacturing to China in order to lower their costs.)
  
  PC makers tend to contract with ODMs to manufacture a higher percentage of their consumer notebooks than their business notebooks due to market dynamics, including price competition at retail. Business notebooks tend to sell for higher prices and by nature are more customizable. So it still makes sense to many of the top PC makers to manufacture their own business systems in-house.
  
  Dell and Lenovo do their own manufacturing, for example. Dell builds both consumer and business systems in its two factories in Malaysia. Lenovo builds ThinkPad in its factory in China. Panasonic makes its own Toughbook notebooks in a factory in Japan. I also believe, but can not say with certainty, that Toshiba, Sony and Fujitsu all still manufacture a portion of their own notebooks.
  
  But Dell and Sony are all moving to leverage outsourced manufacturing on the consumer side to help lower their costs and allow them to better compete on price.

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  tjakubow06/10/08 Report as spam
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  RE: How to Outsource Your Manufacturing to China

  Premise: it is almost impossible to purchase something in a chain/bigbox store that has been made in the US. Food may be a singular exception.
  
  From an idiot's point of view, my impression of outsourcing is not the production of better product for the same ultimate price, but for equal product for a dramatically reduced price. My general impression is also that Chinese and Indian workers labor for about a tenth of the cost of labor in the US and in Western Europe. However, I am open to enlightenment from firms that have outsourced, perhaps even down to the fraction of a penny, to correct my idiot's notion.
  
  On a recent visit to a vacuum cleaner store for spare parts, I learned from the owner that a US-manufactured cleaner retailed for something like US $275; a similar model, manufactured in China, retailed for about US $225. The owner also revealed that the off-shore model cost roughly US $19 to manufacture. Using this same manufacturing/pricing logic, the Intel Xeon E5345 Box selling at Fry's for about US$500 could easily cost only US$50. Who gets that $450 differential?
  
  I'm not quite the idiot that I portray; I made it though 5th grade arithmatic. So I added and multiplied and divided, and concluded that outsourcing to China and India is indeed a pretty good deal, in more ways than one. Not only is there a tremendous cost differential (and increased profit potential?), but there are no longer any related costs.
  
  A good tax accountant/lawyer will minimize a firm's US tax burden. Off-shore outsourcing eliminates the onerous federal and state payroll taxes on employees. Oh yes, no more onerous benefits expenses. More money is available to the Chinese to finance their own brand of repression (Tibet?) and its maintenance; far fewer US tax dollars are available to finance the conduct of two unpopular wars in the Middle East. It's almost patriotic to employ off-shore sourcing.
  
  Wow! I never really thought of it that way! I guess I'm not such an idiot after all!

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  Geoffrey James, Sales Machine06/11/08 Report as spam
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  Confusing "How To" with "Ought To"

  I think you're a bit confused here. This is a "how to" article. It's not a discussion of business ethics and politics. The problems that you surface are very real, but they're outside the scope of a business discussion.
  
  Frankly, I'm far more offended when a no-bid, government-connected company like Halliburton moves its corporate headquarters to Dubai in order to avoid paying taxes than when a medium-sized U.S.-based manufacturer finds a lower-cost source for a product it's selling in the U.S.
  
  The former (in my opinion) smacks of treason; the latter is simply doing what you have to do in order to not be driving out of business by the guy down the street.

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  daveroeser06/10/08 Report as spam
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  RE: How to Outsource Your Manufacturing to China

  Hopefully the author gets his job outsourced to China - mine was outsourced to Russia. Then he can write articles about how great unemployment is in the US.
  
  Dave

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  Geoffrey James, Sales Machine06/11/08 Report as spam
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  Sorry. You're Confused.

  "How To" is not "Ought To." Since outsourcing to China is a viable strategy, it's best people know how to do it right, if they're going to do it.
  
  In any case, you can't outsource journalism. (It's been tried, and it's always resulted in an enormous flop.)
  
  The truth is that very few native speakers of English (especially in the U.S.) can write a coherent sentence, let alone an entire article. That percentage is far smaller among those who are not non-native speakers of English.

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  davidliatshanghai06/10/08 Report as spam
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  Half true

  From my past 5 years experience, business culture in Shanghai where I am presents a truth that is quite far from what the writer portrays. Business world is complex, and individual company and person is unique. It is more so in China. This article is attempting to generalize. As to bribery and QuanXi this article talks about, the description here does not represent the current state how business is being conducted, at least in my experience. It is amazing to read the writer mentions presenting a small gift to meeting attendants. I don't know where the writter has been -- or where I have been -- I would NOT do this unless I want to draw unnecessary suspicion. It is OK to dine and wine, just like in the US, with your supplier or customer, but it is a different thing to give gift on a meeting. So, I would advice fellow readers to take this with a grain of salt.
  However, I do have to agree with the arthur on the point of outsourcing to China. To that, I say, yes. It is for the good of most businesses.

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  bricheun06/11/08 Report as spam
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  Bribery happens in every country.

  I have never received or given "gifts" during my 10 years business in China. If they requested "gifts" then I move on, especially gifts of money for corrupt officials.Why should we pay it?
  
  Though these cases were significant 15-20 years ago, nowadays they are not as open as these issues. Taiwanese are just as bad. Bribery happens everywhere, we have the ICAC in Hong Kong. In China you can report these cases and they are taken very seriously.

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  imryeh8806/26/08 Report as spam
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  Taiwanese are as bad as whom??

  Gift or not is not the issue, it's how we stick to our own business ethics. There are tons of reasons we excuse ourselves, and there is only one cause that we stick to our value. When we talk about gift or undertable $$$, guess who makes the first move?? I am a Taiwanese setting business in China for over 15 years now, and I have also lived in United States for a long time and I worked for U.S. firms for over 20 years. In my personal view, the decision is in your own hand no matter where you are.

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  Geoffrey James, Sales Machine06/11/08 Report as spam
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  GIfts

  The gifts would be for a very formal meeting, not an informal meeting. Also, the use of this technique would probably vary from region to region inside China.

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  nickwang06/24/08 Report as spam
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  agreed, cautious on bribery

  Me too agree on this.
  Bribery will bring you trouble in Shanghai, Beijing or other large cities. Small gift is normal all over the world but it doesn't equal to bribery.
  Be careful especially when you are trying to outsourcing for first time. A good practice is to hire some native Chinese who have educations in US for long time, or even hire a manager working in international company is a better choice. They know better than the author

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  amay@...06/10/08 Report as spam
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  RE: Doing Business in China

  I was born and raised in the US but have been a transactional lawyer in China for 10 years now. The above article raises some good points but it still amazes me how many myths there are about doing business in China.
  www.shuangch.com

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  zebrared06/11/08 Report as spam
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  There is a solution in Northeast China - the NEW Klondike

  Hello, I'm Neill Newton. I am the Director and Partner with two Chinese with CPA credentials from the West. We help foreign firms cross the China bridge - and make the unclear path much clearer. Your articles do address issues, but the reality is even more complex. But, an even bigger decision is to know WHERE in China to establish. Even Chinese firms are moving out of Shenzhen and Shanghai - too expensive now for labor, rentals, overheads ... and time to do things. Much cheaper, faster and easier here in Shenyang (Olympic soccer city). The old Northeast industrial base is now the fastest growing region on the planet, at 14% pa. Go to: www.ChinaFIG.com, we will give you all you need. neill.newton@ChinaFIG.com

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  Ttsmith@...06/11/08 Report as spam
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  RE: How to Outsource Your Manufacturing to China

  Not a bad article but:
  
  Keep the jobs in the U.S. and instead of sending them overseas. I know their labor rates are a fraction of what they are here, but we are hurting our own economy. There?s no free lunch; yes the products are cheaper, but not always of equal quality to American-made products. But as their quality increases so does their price. I am concerned that we will become dependent on China and find ourselves in a position we do not want to be in! Most the household products we buy now are made in China, try finding one that isn?t. Bring back ?Made in America?!

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  tjakubow06/11/08 Report as spam
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  Dependency

  The closest analog to becoming dependent on any one source would be the Brits and other Europeans losing control of their Southeast Asian colonial rubber plantations and oil fields in the runup to WWII. As hostilities grew to world-wide proportions, the supply of latex for natural rubber diminished to a trickle. If military vehicles rode on natural rubber tires (synthetic rubber was only an R&D dream then), that military force would soon be SOL.
  
  Go here: http://www.othmerlibrary.org/explore/milestone_rubber.html, for a reasonably accurate description of how control over a strategic material by an enemy could have brought the Western Alliance to its knees.
  
  Humans being an adaptive lot, the cut in supply of natural rubber drove the effort to develop synthetic rubber: a miracle of modern science. And so we now have the world's fleet of motor vehicles dependent on "foreign" imported oil for manufacture.
  
  We've come full circle on dependency.

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  Geoffrey James, Sales Machine06/11/08 Report as spam
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  Good idea...

  ...but while you're at it, let's make sure that people make enough money so that they can buy locally-made goods at a higher price. That probably means unionizing everybody and raising the minimum wage to $20 an hour.

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  thomm1206/16/08 Report as spam
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  Keep US Jobs

  I agree! US business and the economy are headed for a pretty rough wake-up call. When did China become our "best buddy"? Last I knew they still wanted us dead: but then capitalism raised its head... The priviledged few got a taste of "big bucks" that they grew quickly to love.
  
  US management has just about picked all the fruit from the cost tree. Jobs are gone, wage gaps are widening, people over 50 are goners, newbies are like little automotons whos buttons are easier to push by a more and more greedy and incompetent Senior "Management". Business has succeeded in one area... scaring the hell out of loyal employees with rumors of lay-offs and right-sizing. Scare tactics work wonders increasing "productivity" of the 40 year old with 3 kids, a huge mortgage, 2+ car payments, a wife who is a master chef with all the "hamburger helper" recipes and a stress level at Mount Everest altitudes.
  
  Wait my friends, the basis for all this is greed. Greed of Management, greed of stockholders. Just like the housing bubble, so will the profit bubble of the last century burst. Soon there will be no more costs to cut. Innovation will be seen as an unnecessary expense here, they can outsource it easier. When all the dust settles I believe we will have become a 3rd world country with a underground economy similar to that of Russia today. I hope I'm wrong... but I don't think I am.
  
  Tom

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  tym@...06/11/08 Report as spam
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  Re: Outsourcing

  The trade policies of our government and the idiots leading the academic world are ruining this country. Capitalism flourshing at the expense of an entire social structure. No surprise to see BNET on the bandwagon.
  
  First went manufacturing, now IT, even engineering and R&D. Not long before we are indeed a third-world country ourselves, trading nothing because we make nothing that anyone would want.
  
  What do I think? I think you had best learn to be a bartender, flip burgers, or clean carpets, but then again who will be your customer? See you in the soup line if we don't wake up soon.

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  didyw@...06/12/08 Report as spam
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  Outsourcing to China - don't do it!

  The issue of dependency is interesting. The way forward is self-sufficiency. Dependency on any commododity or service from another nation renders you weak. When that commodity or service becomes unavailable your are in danger of your own economy going into meltdown.
  
  The developed world is already totally dependent on oil supplies from outside, having reached their own peaks of production. It is time for a very radical rethink of the way we all do business - continued economic growth is unsustainable and a new mindset is required.
  
  When the goods you have manufactured in China begin to cost more than they are worth to ship back you will see that whether you present your business cards with one or two hands is completely irrelevant. Organisations need to think - and quickly - about increasing skills and lowering consumption back home.

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  Geoffrey James, Sales Machine06/12/08 Report as spam
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  OK, but...

  lowering consumption back home.
  
  I'll think about this "lowering consumption" stuff as soon as I install my 28" flat panel monitor that I just purchased for $700.

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  Thomas091106/12/08 Report as spam
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  Thanks for clarifying

  The point I'm making here is that when you think about outsourcing to China, it might make sense to outsource through Taiwan to China. I was using the notebook manufacturing service as an example.
  
  The main concerns for outsourcing to China have been IPR protection and lack of more experienced personnel. The IPR protection environment in Taiwan is much stronger and there are abundance of managers with rich experience serving MNC's.
  
  It's especially true when it comes to software outsourcing.
  And that's what we have done in the past 10 years, building a service platform that integrates the experience and resources from Taiwan and Mainland China. And this is exactly how IBM build the software development lab in China several years ago in Beijing.
  
  Thomas Cheng

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  Geoffrey James, Sales Machine06/13/08 Report as spam
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  Taiwan warning!!!

  One thing that I don't believe I mentioned in the article that's VERY important.
  
  Don't EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER refer to Taiwan as if it is a separate country. The Chinese government (and almost all mainland Chinese) consider it a rogue province.
  
  On the mainland, ALWAYS call it "Taiwan Province." Always.

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  nickwang06/24/08 Report as spam
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  Hmmm, not necessary nowadays

  Be careful when you speak to students. When they start to work, these issues become not so critical. But do not try to irritate them by repeating these unfriendly topics.
  And, don't you guys know that even Taiwai "province" is "outsourcing" to mainland China now?!

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  Thomas091106/13/08 Report as spam
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  It's a little more complicated than that

  The "official" name to Mainland China is People's Republic of China, abbreviated to China. And Taiwan is Republic of China (ROC). To the ROC government in Taiwan, Taiwan is a province.
  
  There was a consensus reached between the two in 1992 that's called "One China Consensus", using the abbreviated "China" as the common name.
  
  In China the proper ways to refer to Taiwan can be:
  Taiwan Province, Taiwan Region, or simply Taiwan. And it's more important to refer to China as Mainland China when referenced at the same time with Taiwan.
  
  And yes, the China government is very sensitive when Taiwan is referred to as a country. This is common on web sites where there's a listing of countries. The proper way to handle this is simply changing the heading from "country" to "country/region". And this would be proper to include regions such as Hong Kong and Macau, which are officially referred to as SAR (Special Administrative Region) by the Chinese government.

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  tsfleck06/16/08 Report as spam
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  China Syndrome - 2008

  Two things seem to always rise to the top in these discussions. The first is protectionism and the second consumption. As for the article, it is good journalism regardless of precision accuracy, if the result ultimately stimulates discussion.
  
  I am American, past the age of beginning new careers, who has worked with Chinese companies for over 10 years. Three years ago I moved here and founded an fully American owned, licensed company. We consult to and advise American companies on the procedures to enter the local markets. The growth of this business is nothing less than phenomenal right now as the buying power of the Chinese middle class grows in significant numbers. The strengthening currency also makes American products more affordable.
  
  Restrictions and duties on imports have eased, though precipitous and slowly, and now the problem is keeping shelves and storerooms stocked with products. If it's made in America, it is in demand here. And the potential for growth is staggering.
  
  We also assist Chinese companies with branding, after sales servicing and understanding foreign buyers' stated and implied needs. But that discussion is for another day.
  
  Where the dogmatic protectionist gets it all wrong is in the continuous whining about jobs being LOST without looking at the opportunities being made available. (Note: If you are one that believes a job is a right of birth, you will never recognize an opportunity - even under your nose). It was the same I heard as a child growing up in the Midwest during the rise of Japan. Japan transitioned from a low cost manufacturing country into a world class innovator and did so with the assistance of American's e.g., Juran and Deming. The transformation was slow as technology was still in an analog infancy stage. China now is in the transition process, and with the technology at hand, will transform from low-cost to innovation in a fraction of the time it took Japan. Why is this important? The American labor movement is not dead. But it needs to be injected with something more than political and emotional dialogue that comes from Government and labor organizations that all have something to protect.
  
  There are many new opportunities for American business and labor if we can just break the old paradigms of what creates wealth and employment opportunities. As the markets shift, so does opportunity. Get used to it. Yes, labor is cheaper here - for now.
  
  Along the coastal areas, manufacturing costs have been rising steadily for five years. As this has happened, wages and benefits have risen as qualified labor has become short. Many companies must now move inland to find cost-value structures. As this happens, more and more individuals move into a working class not possible in the past.
  
  My second point concerned consumption. Or let me better define it as conspicuous consumption. I grew up in Ohio, in a three bedroom 900 sq. ft. home, with nine brothers and sisters. My Mother had two cast iron skillets and a handful of utensils. We ate from a mish-mash of bowls and plates that were handed down or bought in the local 2nd hand store. What appliances she had, were all hand driven. People acquired things they needed - what we used to call the essentials!
  
  Fast forward to today (speaking from experience) and look in the kitchen of middle class America. I need not go into detail. Today, people acquire things they want, with little regard for needs. While the Government continues to build a dependent society - by handing out funds for every fundamental need - its people spend their life's earnings buying junk. Two years ago, standing in a plastic injection molding foundry in Shenzhen, I was asked pointedly what made it necessary for Americans to use the product they were producing - at the rate of container loads per month. Why did they need such a contraption? And where did they find the money to pay for such things? The item in question was a salad spinner! What could I say? And for this point, need I say more?
  
  American's save less of their disposable income than any other country in the World. The Chinese are at the other end of the spectrum. They save more than anyone else. Credit card debt in America has built a false economy. The problem will eventually dwarf the sub-prime lending fiasco - which those of us with conservative fiscal practices are now being asked to pay for.
  
  It's little wonder the Chinese government has been slow and meticulous in letting individuals incur unsecured credit. Given what has occurred in America, they are doing the right thing. Can you imagine a class of American's being refused credit cards simply for their inability to pay their balance - especially based upon their historical habits? Certainly the trial lawyers would be out in force claiming discrimination - as they are now doing with what they call 'inhumane' interest rates.
  
  One last issue in this all-too-long comment. The US and the West have moved their most pollutant and dangerous process companies and/or source of supply to China. It is time for everyone to start taking some responsibility for cleaning up and instilling fair labor practices in these companies. Corporate governance at home is a myth given the hidden truth here. I have been in hundreds of these facilities and seen the conditions first-hand.
  
  Please accept my apology for rambling on.

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  peterd21906/20/08 Report as spam
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  RE CHINA SYNDROME 2008

  Tank you for the insightful message. I have beenworking with a compnay for past 3 years who import product form mainland china. I agre wiht your points. I have said it countless times and wondered if I was thinking in a vacuum.
  
  Your response was truly enlightening.
  
  thanks again.

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  imryeh8806/26/08 Report as spam
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  American Traditions

  Thanks for your message here, and it's glad to see there are people still remember "American traditions". My respect to you.

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  Thomas091106/25/08 Report as spam
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  Guanxi

  It's called Guanxi in China. But don't take it as a mystery. It's called "good old boys" in US. The basic mechanism for all human bing interaction is the same regardless of race, religion, county or origin...
  
  Thomas

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  ranjeetoak09/07/08 Report as spam
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  RE: How to Outsource Your Manufacturing to China

  I am in the process of outsourcing manufacturing of some toys to a firm based out of HongKong but having their production set up in China. Is there a resource on the net that can help me draft out the first cut manufacturing contract ?

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  cirket09/23/08 Report as spam
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  PCB manufacturer located in China

  hey,We are PCB manufacturer located in China.If you have such requirement can contact me.
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  ati123409/25/08 Report as spam
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  RE: How to Outsource Your Manufacturing to China

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  SourcingS10/22/09 Report as spam
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  RE: How to Outsource Your Manufacturing to China

  Additional Information for Section "Where to Find a Local Agent".
  
  You can actually work on google and yahoo. There plenty of sourcing agents websites there.
  
  Alternatively you can shout a question in some trading portals. You'll be to identify a few sourcing agents to choose from.
  
  Visit our website for more details.
  
  www.sourcingspectrum.com

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  SourcingS10/22/09 Report as spam
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  RE: How to Outsource Your Manufacturing to China

  Additional Information for Section "Where to Find a Local Agent".
  
  You can actually work on google and yahoo. There plenty of sourcing agents websites there.
  
  Alternatively you can shout a question in some trading portals. You'll be to identify a few sourcing agents to choose from.
  
  Visit our website for more details.
  
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