Why People Don't Get Global Warming: MIT Study

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  VT300008/31/08 Report as spam
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  Only the rich have the luxury to go eco friendly, especially in urban areas!
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  The way to stop global warming is literacy and removal of corruption in developing countries. It is upto the people of the developed world to tell their govts to make proper informed decisions and not self-centered ones. It is a complex situation, but is solvable
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  Cranski09/01/08 Reported as spam
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  People don't get man made global warming because they know the planet gets its heat and weather from the big yellow thing that arrives every morning in the east. The warming freaks want us to forget about the mile of ice that covered where I live here in Wisconsin that melted because of global warming - 11,000 years ago! CO2 did not cause that, the sun did. Make all the graphs and warnings you want, us non-phds do get it. Just get up a little earlier and look.

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  People don't get man made global warming because they know the planet gets its heat and weather from the big yellow thing that arrives every morning in the east. The warming (anti-manmade) freaks want us to forget about the mile of ice that covered where I live here in Wisconsin that melted because of global warming - 11,000 years ago! CO2 did not cause that, the sun did. Make all the graphs and warnings you want, us non-phds do get it. Just get up a little earlier and look.

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  For many decades political power and corporate wealth spend more time and money discrediting anything contrary to the adverts they push out into the mainstream.
  
  One might wonder, if they actually spent as much money on innovation; or even still repurposing old inventions, could we reduce our eco-impacts and still keep the economic wheels in motion?
  
  I am social marketer, who has a simple belief that if we change the way humanity feels about themselves (fear, self loathing, consumer consumption to fill a soulful void), we would see that reflect in how we identify with the fact the our natural resources are the economic and social life support systems needed to keep us all healthy and wealthy! Like it or not, we are connected to all things that surround us.
  
  K.Brock

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  Because -more likely than not- it is NOT true!

  Peter, I hate to disappoint you, global warming is, at best, still controversial, at worst, a big political/pseudo-science hoax. I am for clean environment and conservation, but definitely against pushing personal agendas to the rest of the world.
  Please, lets be serious. And don???t give me this silly bathtub metaphor [gosh! From MIT! So what, I went to Caltech!] Is creationism true just because ???most??? of the population think so [they just don???t seem to understand paleontology and radiodating]? Or is the data driven evolution more like the real stuff? People should get data and information on so-called global warming, not from the news, not from the politicians, but from multiple scientific literature. Oh, I forgot to mention, I am a scientist [PhD Chemist; hobby solar astronomy]. And I DO get it, just like Cranski and thousand others.
  http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/02/07/more-satellite-musings/
  http://www.solarcycle24.com/
  http://www.climate-skeptic.com/temperature_history/index.html
  The church had a consensus of the Earth being the center of the universe. Galileo was right. He had the data. And no, there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

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  Data from NASA and other sources

  To support my position; data is worth more than a thousand words! http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/
  
  This takes you to the raw data from NASA:
  http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt which shows a 'stable' global temperature for the past 8 years or so.
  From UAH http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2 showing the 'ups and downs' of global temperatures
  From RRS ftp://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/monthly_time_series/rss_monthly_msu_amsu_channel_tlt_anomalies_land_and_ocean_v03_1.txt the same..
  raw data from the source
  Bottom line: Source (Global delta T ??C): HadCRUT (-0.595); GISS (-0.750); UAH (-0.588); RSS (-0.629); AVERAGE: -0.6405??C
  minuses, all minuses from Jan 2007 to Jan 2008

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  Main link got chopped off

  http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/january-2008-4-sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/

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  ExtremeGeek09/01/08 Reported as spam
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  i'm glad to see the other side of the argument being represented here. i found it interesting that the ice core data has shown that temperature increased on average 800 years before co2 levels increased... so much for scientific cause and effect. i'm also not arguing against that particulate poloution needs to be addressed and now. this i would argue is directly linked to the reduced ' pan evaporation ' observations and increased cloud formations.

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  From a resource management point of view I think the vast majority of the world's population wants to be conservers and good world patrons. Your idea of what that means is a completely separate discussion since it is not universal.
  
  Assuming that the same person (MIT or otherwise) took all the measurements, from the same location, under the same controlled conditions, etc....it is likely that instrument & calibration error would deviate as much as temperature. When you also consider that we know the world has a fuxuating temperature over the millions of years of existence there must be a recognition of where we are on the flux curve. Without knowing those things we can decide to live in the stone age only to find ourselves faced with another ice age.
  
  I think I do get it. People who need money look to places of concern to generate money. If there is no problem then you get no money (research). If you truly want to find the answer look at MIT or any other school and find out how many research dollars go to global warming research and how many go to disproving the theory. No balance, no sale.
  
  That doesn't mean we can't design a 50MPG car for many other reasons...Go you tech school grads!