Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
(Operator Instructions). Our first question is from Mark Biffert of Goldman Sachs. Please proceed with your question.
Mark Biffert - Goldman Sachs
Hi, guys. Thanks for the color, Mark, on the utility costs. Another question I have is, of that utilities expense: how much of that do you expect to be recurring, given that we're coming into the winter season and you're going to have additional heating costs as well?
Mark Ohlendorf
Yes. On a historical basis, our higher utility cost quarters are the third quarter, because of cooling costs and the first quarter because of heating costs. And then the cost moderates somewhat in the other two quarters.
Mark Biffert - Goldman Sachs
Okay. And when you look at the entrance fees going forward, last quarter you guys had mentioned that you had deposits of about $4 million. I guess my first question is: how much of that $4 million was part of the $14 million you signed and then currently, what do you have in terms of deposits going into the next quarter?
Mark Ohlendorf
The rollover activity is not some data we've got on right in front of us here right now. The $5 million in October, I think, the volume of this activity is relatively consistent with where we were at through the third quarter, perhaps up just a touch. Again, the cycle of closing houses in markets tends to be expanding right now. So, looking at those deposit levels, even over an immediate 90-day period may be a little bit too short.
Mark Biffert - Goldman Sachs
Okay. And back to the rent growth. You guys have talked about 5% to 6% in terms of rent growth. Do you think that given the occupancy's been relatively flat, that you're going to be able to continue to push rents as we look into '08?
Mark Ohlendorf
Yes.
Mark Biffert - Goldman Sachs
Okay. The next question is related to the ancillary revenues business. I noted that the ACR portfolio, the average income per unit dropped from 195 to 183. Can you provide any color on that?
Mark Ohlendorf
There was a slight decline in the quarter in the Part A expenses in the SNFs on the CCRCs. So, it's primarily a volume driven change quarter-to-quarter.
Mark Biffert - Goldman Sachs
So, is that [180] a better number to use to measure income from there?
Mark Ohlendorf
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