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The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

Tags: MBA, B-School, Financial Services, Investment Banking, BB&T, M&T, Evercore Partners, Perella Weinberg, Lazard, Greenhill


For years, finance — and more specifically, investment banking — has been the single most popular career track for MBAs. In fact, top schools like University of Pennsylvania and New York University typically send at least 45 percent of graduates to financial services and investment banking firms each year, with Wall Street absorbing the vast majority of those MBAs. That was then. This year, the sector is wheezing from the collapse of at least five major financial institutions and the loss of more than 200,000 jobs — 60,000 in New York alone.

Business-school professors and their career advisers say their finance programs aren’t likely to change much in response to the Wall Street collapse; what will change the most are graduates’ expectations. Investment banks that handle M&As, for instance, will still need qualified new hires. But be warned, says Ed Fredericks, a professor and career adviser at Pepperdine University’s Graziadio School of Business and Management: “The jobs aren’t going to be as lucrative, exciting, or crazy as they were before.”

Top feeder schools:

The Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania: The nation’s oldest business school also launched the first finance program in 1881. Since then, Wharton’s finance curriculum has been consistently top-ranked.

The University of Chicago Booth School of Business: Booth’s finance program boasts an especially strong focus on understanding the behavior of securities, information that the school disseminates through its Center for Research in Security Prices — the leading provider of historical stock market data.

New York University Stern School of Business: Stern’s Manhattan address and strong connections with the finance community are its biggest recruiting assets — the school helped more than 80 percent of the 2008 graduating class find jobs through its own recruiting events and job postings.

Most lucrative jobs

The most popular positions for MBAs in the finance industry, according to Payscale, Inc. (Salaries represent 2008’s national median pay.)

Portfolio Manager: $121,000

Financial Research Analyst: $98,000

Financial/Securities/Investments Analyst: $90,300

Personal Financial Adviser: $75,200

Credit Risk Management Analyst: $68,100

Major MBA recruiters:

Regional banks: Although year-over-year revenue dropped, North Carolina–based BB&T turned a profit and even beat analyst expectations for the fourth quarter of 2008. M&T, a Buffalo, New York, lender backed by Warren Buffet, also remained profitable. Both Fortune 500 firms have multibillion-dollar market caps.

Boutique banks: A handful of firms continue to dominate the field of small, niche-market investment firms. Evercore Partners was the only boutique involved with the $60 billion deal between pharma companies Pfizer and Wyeth in January 2009, boosting the bank into the top seven of Thomson Reuters’ rankings for global M&A advisers this year. Perella Weinberg is a fast-growing newcomer, founded by a departing Morgan Stanley exec in 2006 and now the high-profile recipient of the FDIC’s contract to advise the feds on stabilizing the banking system. Additional key players include Lazard and Greenhill.

The job outlook for new MBAs

Despite dire warnings from some recruiters that hiring in finance has all but stopped, career advisers and professors at some of the top B-schools insist that MBAs can still find great opportunities — but Wall Street firms may not be the entry point. “There will be many more opportunities in smaller organizations than in larger ones,” says Andy Chan, assistant dean and director of the MBA career management center at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business. “Larger organizations are more conservative about their hiring. And there are exponentially more small organizations in the world.”

To take advantage of opportunities still open in finance, new hires now will need prior, in-depth knowledge of a specific market. “The jobs will be much more niche oriented and MBA grads will be asked to fill a specific need,” says Pepperdine’s Fredericks. Aspiring traders, for example, must find out early in their schooling what they want to trade — bonds, equities, commodities — and in what particular industry.

While deal making has slowed, it’s not going away, Fredericks adds. Smaller boutique investment banks and regional banks are buying the cheap assets large firms must unload, or stepping in to handle the mergers big banks can’t pick up. Lesser-known firms like Phoenix-based Fogel International continue to close transactions, and even some Wall Street–based boutiques are rising to new prominence, like Evercore Partners, which advised Wyeth in its recently announced $68 billion deal with Pfizer — boosting the bank into the top seven of Thomson Reuters’ rankings for global M&A advisers this year.

Cornell University’s Johnson Graduate School of Management also advises students to look for jobs in regional or boutique banks, as well as venture capital firms and even some positions in corporate finance involving mergers and acquisitions. “I don’t think [these alternatives] change their career trajectory completely, as long as they’re getting deal experience,” says Karin Ash, director of Cornell’s career management center. Cornell placed 21 percent of its graduates in investment banking in 2008, which is typical for the school.

Plus, larger Fortune 500 companies, especially in the healthcare and energy industries, still need candidates with finance skills that are particularly relevant to the current economy. “Those with cost avoidance, cost control, and risk management experience could get in at a reasonable salary,” says Mickey Matthews, managing director for recruiting firm Stanton Chase International. Continental Airlines, too, is recruiting for both finance and marketing MBAs with a focus in revenue management. “Given today’s tight budgets and the need for maximum return on every dollar spent, [we] rely even more heavily on those skills,” says Mary Clark, a Continental spokeswoman.

Additional reporting by John Maas.

 
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    trelsco

    02/10/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    ?The jobs aren?t going to be as lucrative, exciting, or crazy as they were before.?

    On the other hand, perhaps they could be based around adding value to clients.

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    arrow-987

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    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    M - More
    B - Bad
    A - Advice

    In my 25 years in business, I laugh at the MBA's
    arrogance. These are the same people that brought
    you Lehman Brothers and others failures. I have a
    partnership with 3 of them on a real estate deal for 10
    years and because of their lack of ability to think
    critically, arrogance and herd mentality have caused
    another mini-Lehman Brothers of our own.

    I only hire people that have worked thru from the
    bottom of the industry to the top - they offer insight
    and compassion to the people that make and save
    money - a care about the company. MBA's are about
    themselves.

    MBA - highly over-rated. I hope that they learn to eat
    humble pie and have a beer with the working class to
    get a reality check thru these tough times. They have
    hurt alot of people and were not aware of their actions
    - sad really.

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    quest2900

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    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    well MBAs is not more bad, it was a few (CEO/ CFOs., and top management) at the top who manipulated thier naked power through " more bads" and the results were total collapse.
    now all are being criticised for lavish bonuss to the top executives that fuled the destruction path.

    we should look and see a balalnced path in future

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    San.R.

    02/11/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    This was over-reliance on traditional market behaviour and lack of watch over the present system that dragged those firms to collapse. MBAs could provide critical and analytical insights into ongoing system.

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    etayo

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    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    People with in depth knowledge about an industry now counts than hiring MBA's that carry theory that cannot prove through.

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    kroberts21021

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    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    arrow987- Don't you think you might be stereotyping MBA's based on the few you've met? I'm in an MBA program now, (true, it isn't a prominent one, but still), and many of my fellow classmates are not "arrogant" or "about themselves". They are just trying to better themselves in the job market.

    I may be reading your comment entirely wrong, but it seems to me you're as arrogant about working your way up from the bottom as you perceive the MBA graduates to be.

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    brickie115

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    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    I have to endorse what one of my fellow correspondees has commented on I'm on an MBA programme and it is to better my career prospects and thoroughly rewarding into the bargain

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    Mongolrat

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    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    I used to have similar thoughts as arrow-987, due to my ignorance. Earning my MBA was the greatest thing I have ever done. Not only for my career, but for my business knowledge and life. Those of us with MBA's have experience with pre and post MBA knowledge, and thus have a higher level of understanding.

    We need to give those like arrow-987, who do not have this experience, a pass and help them to build up their self-esteem so they too can better contribute and not look to others as the cause of their concerns, but inward to their own ignorance and find a way to better thenselves, as we all have done.

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    DWilber

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    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    It is ignorant to blame MBAs as the primary cause of a company's downfall much less the fall of an entire industry. Because a few individuals who happened to have MBAs are arrogant or made some bad decisions does not mean the degree is useless. A combination of book and street smarts is optimal. Organizations that allow individuals of different backgrounds and strengths to negotiate and compromise through strategic planning and execution are the most successful.

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    JoShear

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    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    In MBA right now, half the class is P.Eng and
    another 25% are in healthcare - definitely a
    trend for the upcoming management groups.

    FYI its one of the top univs in Western Canada

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    Flocarpentier@...

    02/11/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    Let's not mix up the issues and react emotionaly based on today's economical challenging situation (nice way to avoid writing CRISIS isn't it wink

    MBAs right out of schools surely need to apply their learning on the battle Company's fields.
    Nevertheless, no doubt that with the right managers leading by example + a touch of humility gained after sweating in front of "Paradigmed shift" type of "BS bingo" Powerpoints, they learn fast and do well.

    Experienced professionals (as Arrow 987 and other fans of BNET surely are) going through a top ranked Executive MBA program will on the other hand gain a lot in reflecting back on their professional expertise and look at the future with a different lense.

    After nearly 20 years of experience, I've last year graduated from the Executive MBA at HEC Paris.
    Life doesn't taste the same since then.
    This Top ranked European MBA program has strenghthened -for many previous and future fellow classmates- our toolbox, mental and attitude towards an ever more demanding (business)life.
    We challenged ideas and behaviors we assumed to be correct until then.
    We learned about ourselves and others around us.
    We gained in exploring new ways to "peel the banana".
    Arrogance would have been to stand still...

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    ProfR

    02/14/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    Kudos arrow-987, the arrogance you speak about is due to a lack of life experience. In my teaching experience, mid-career MBAs are much less likely to be affected by the intolerant attitude fostered by many programs. They are there for practical reasons; usually related to advancement in an existing career. In this area the programs at schools like Phoenix, Keller and Argosy, although eschewed by traditional B-school candidates, may attract graduates with broader vision and experience, more capable of the team building that is so necessary in these challenging times.

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    back2wrk

    02/23/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    I am an MBA grad and would like to get my foot in the door. I have lived all over the world and have lots of experience. Now I need some ACTUAL financial experience.

    I would like to come and work for arrow-987 or anyone out there to develop my skills. I have a lot of experience in the real world but need more exposure to MBA practical side.
    email me at: info@lionesseaglepoint.com

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    MizPam

    03/01/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    I understand MBA-Finance perspective, being an MBA graduate about 5 years ago. At that time, I had mid-level management positions for various service-based companies, however I was a threat to upper management, who were not as driven nor as well-educated. I believe pursuing a Graduate degree is a personal choice.

    With the current economic outlook, had y'alls considered changing from Profit to NFP organizations? I am making this switch right now at the management level, & I feel better about what I have to offer my customers. In a few years, I plan to pursue a Doctoral online degree in HR, Organizational Management or Leadership area.

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    charlie_boulder

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    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    I have an MBA in Finance and I have to agree with Arrow. Many MBA's from elite schools (especially in finance) who go on to be investment bankers are incredibly arrogant. (Yes, he generalized and not ALL MBA's are arrogant and worthless) Not only that, but they have a sense of entitlement that makes the socialist look tame. I mean these Wharton/Harvard types think it is their birthright to have the Bugati and the yacht and the coke-filled party girls by the time they are 30. The only thing that was going to teach these losers a lesson was the financial meltdown and many of them going BK and losing their fortunes built on leverage and speculation.

    Unfortunately, our government is corrupt (both sides - this started under Bush and continues under Obama). And, therefore bailed out their friends on Wall Street. Now AIG, who supposedly "insured" these leveraged assets are paying their execs huge bonuses with our money. And that is only the diversion, so we didn't know about the 40-50 BILLION that we sent of to foreign banks that speculated on these leveraged assets and all the other abuse and mismanagement. Just gone. Tax payer money that will NEVER come back. And the bonuses go on at Freddie and Fannie, Merrill, etc.

    Our only hope is to vote out all incumbent politicians and start over. But, people won't do it because they can't see past their party label and their fat incumbents bring home the pork by the barrel full. Change your party registration to independent or unaffiliated. I wish the average voter would ask themselves how much of that pork they've gotten their little worker bee hands on. The answer of course is ZERO. It only goes to their "friends" who have kicked in big bucks.

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    ksterling2@...

    05/17/09 | Report as spam

    What about the rest of us?

    I am hoping for some insight from all of you seasoned, biased or not, working professionals. I am one of those people who returned to school after never getting any value from my undergraduate degree in Marketing/Managment. Although I had a mountain of debt, most of the work I did for the first ten years out of school were manual jobs or barely above.

    About five years ago I said, "Enough". I started taking temp work to build up my experiential base, ending with my last assignment as an Accounting Manager for four months. The online degree program I am in was supposed to be good. It certainly has demanded massive amounts of effort on my part to achieve an maintain a perfect gpa.

    In six weeks, I will be receiving my MBA in Finance (carrying yet another $40K in debt) and cannot find a job of any better caliber than before. One problem is the idea that as a temp, I was a job-hopper who cannot hold a real job. Everything I can certainly do, or learn to do with normal on-the-job learning curves, all want people of 5-10 years experience who've already been doing it.

    I've got twenty years left of work before normal retirement age. That's a lot to offer a company. I am not trying to become the CEO one day. I just want to pay off my student loans and maybe own the house I will live in at retirement (I still have to rent).

    So what does an educated, seemingly intelligent, hard-working, but aging candidate look to do? I am good at accounting, but am by no means an accountant. I understand market trends, global expansion, labor relations, and the like, but would not be comfortable brokering or advising people where they should put their money. My strengths lie more in organization, finding redundancies of back-office operations (something temp-ing has given me), and training. Without the MBA in HR, what kind of mid-level anything would anyone hire me to do?

    Trust me. There is no arrogance in this MBA, rather frustration at the possibility of another avenue of wasted effort. Please help!

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    anulior@...

    06/29/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    Everyone who has done an MBA knows that the only real benefit of doing one is the network you build as a result. Anyone who goes into an MBA to actually "learn" something or be taught real technical skills that will give them the qualifications to "do" something is kidding themselves. This is not becoming a doctor, lawyer, engineer, or even a plumber where you have a license to practice or an actual trade which you are qualified in.

    So what is an MBA? It is the ability to join a club - the tuition is your membership dues. This club is filled with alumni and more importantly your peers who will also go on to work in similar lines of business as you. Which is why the school you pick for the sector you want to be in (e.g. Chicago for Finance, Sloan for Tech, etc.) is very important. The network you build as a result of doing an MBA is more valuable than anything they teach.

    In that vein, in my opinion, the best MBA schools for finance are the ones that give you the best finance industry related networks. The ranking that I believe has gotten it right is http://www.askthefinanceprof.com/top_mba_for_finance.shtml

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    Hult_International

    10/26/09 | Report as spam

    RE: The Finance MBA: Life Beyond Wall Street

    It is inconceivable to place the blame for the collapse of particular companies on MBAs. As the majority of comments have illustrated, studying for and achieving an MBA has only served to strengthen and invigorate a person?s skillset and expertise. Which can only serve to explain the upsurge in people returning to their studies during the economic downturn. And fingers crossed, it shouldn?t be too long now before we see the global economy pick up and allow the new MBAs to flood the job market, bringing with them a wealth of experience.
    In particular, those graduating from Hult International Business School, will not only come armed with reams of theory and business paradigms. Hult is very conscious that to be successful in business, you need to have real-world experience ? and ?action learning? is something integrated throughout its MBA curriculum. The American School?s top faculty brings theory to life during business simulation classes, and gives students the chance to carry out projects within a real company. Through our combined theoretical and practical teaching methods, you will leave Hult a versatile and inspired business leader, ready for any challenge thrown your way.
    And not only is Hult?s curriculum impressive. Since the School has four locations across the world ? Boston, London, Dubai and Shanghai ? you are given the opportunity to transfer to another campus after your first eight months as part of our pioneering global rotation program. This extraordinary offer helps you develop an innate sense of cultural sensitivity ? something absolutely crucial in today and tomorrow?s business world.

    About Hult International Business School?Hult International Business School (formerly known as the Arthur D. Little School of Management) is the first global business school with operations in Boston, London, Dubai and Shanghai. The School offers a range of business-focused programs including a one-year MBA, Master's and Undergraduate degrees. Hult is ranked 31st in the world and 16th in the US by the Economist Intelligence Unit and 6th for International Mobility by the Financial Times. The School is a fully accredited member of the New England Association of Schools and Colleges (NEASC) and the Association of MBAs (AMBA).

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    In six weeks, I will be receiving my MBA in Finance (carrying yet another $40K
    in debt) and cannot find a job of any better caliber than before. One problem is
    the idea that as a temp, I was a job-hopper who cannot hold a real job

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