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China: Jobs Abound! (But Do Your Homework)

Tags: China, Job, Raby, Recruitment & Selection, Sales Strategy, Supply Chain Management (SCM), Internet, Human Resources, Workforce Management, Sales, Enterprise Software, Software, China economy, China jobs, Tim Gray, BNET Feature Package

Finding a job in China can be as easy as posting a resume on Monster.com or cruising the job boards on expat Web site eChinaCities.com.

A quick search on either reveals lots of available positions for Western workers, ranging from electrical engineers to supply chain managers to sales executives. The auto industry is recruiting all levels of engineers and designers. The telecom sector needs sales reps. Tech companies need software developers. Big job growth, too, is expected to come from all things Internet related, which is relatively untapped given China’s 1.3 billion population. Revenues generated from the Internet sector, even when excluding e-commerce, are expected to swell 44 percent this year to $9.3 billion, according to Going Global.

One group in growing demand: experienced managers. Although Chinese industry has ramped up programs for educating engineers, scientists, and all sorts of specialists, managers with enough experience for senior posts are hard to come by, says Mary Anne Thompson, founder and president of Going Global.

To hunt for such opportunities, Thompson recommends you follow a similar course you would if you were hunting in the States. Seek out international headhunters, zero in on some companies of interest, and set up informational interviews. To do it right, take an exploratory trip.

Expats in China can live really well. According to the 2009 Expat Explorer Survey, commissioned by HSBC Bank International, China ranks No. 11 overall for expats in terms of salary, but it was among the cheapest overall for housing.

But be careful. Talk to enough people about their experiences, and you’ll hear horror stories that should serve as a warning to do a lot of homework before uprooting.

Take Mike Raby, a Detroit-based auto design engineer with 36 years in the business. He says he posted his resume on Monster.com about a year ago and within hours was fielding calls from Chinese companies and their recruiters.

Raby says it took just a week for him to sign a $140,000 contract for an 18-month stint with SAIC Motor Corp. Given the mess the U.S. auto industry was in, he was excited. It was, he says, “a new start.”

However, Raby says problems arose just two months into the job. The language barriers proved hugely problematic, and he had disagreements over aspects of his duties in his contract. The company fired him. “The way they conducted business after I arrived in Shanghai was very unprofessional,” he says. (BNET’s request for an interview with SAIC was not answered.)


How much of Raby’s problems could have been avoided is hard to tell. He insists he was the victim of a recruiter who was paid for each placement he made, not by how well each person worked out.

The lesson, though, is to get references for everyone you’re dealing with. In particular, ask to speak with current expats working at the firm and, if possible, former employees.

Raby says he hasn’t soured on China as his promised land; the opportunities are too plentiful. In fact, he’s now talking to more recruiters for companies in China.

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    eslncn

    10/22/09 | Report as spam

    RE: China: Jobs Abound! (But Do Your Homework)

    I'd like to hear more about the details of Raby's experience, for example: "The language barriers, which proved hugely problematic (were these language or cultural barriers?) Language and culture some mind contend are the same thing. Language is used to describe our environment, and culture is defined with those words used to describe everything in our environment, including "time". Having myself lived in China for six years now, I find language barriers the least problematic, and so wonder: what were Raby's barriers? Raby had disagreements over aspects of his duties in his contract. (I am very curious about this). The company fired him. (Let me guess, Raby put his foot down, and nobody flinched.?The way they conducted business was very unprofessional,?Raby said: details of unprofessional behavior would be greatly apprecieated.

    Shanghai'ed in Shanghai

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    j01150126

    10/22/09 | Report as spam

    RE: China: Jobs Abound! (But Do Your Homework)

    I have been to China. You couldn't pay me all the money in the world to live in a place where you get a sore throat from the smog the first week. Practically everyday is overcast, and children urinate and excrete on streets (cultural potty training thing). Sure having a personal driver is nice, but versus clean air, and stepping in human feces, I'll pass.

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    Tim.Gray

    10/23/09 | Report as spam

    RE: China: Jobs Abound! (But Do Your Homework)

    j01150126, I've been to China too. And you're right. Potty training does take place on the street and it is odd (and gross) for us westerners. At the same time Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong or some pretty cool cities. I'd take even less than half of all the money in the world to live there. That's for sure.

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    Bug_M-E-Not

    10/24/09 | Report as spam

    ni hao...i've been to China too...

    "I'd take even less than half of all the money in the world to live there." Sorry...but, what do you mean? Hong Kong is nice but much more expensive than the mainland.

    Shanghai and Beijing are extremely overcrowded and getting worse with migrant workers continue to flood in for work. They want jobs too! As the Chinese if they would rather live in China or California? 88...

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    Tim.Gray

    10/25/09 | Report as spam

    ni hao...i've been to China too...

    "I'd take even less than half of all the money in the world to live there." Sorry...but, what do you mean?

    I was responding to an early post where someone said "You couldn't pay me all the money in the world to live in China." I've been to China a half dozen times and really enjoyed it. That's all I'm saying.

    I think the point here is if there is job opportunity in China, would you take it? The same opportunity might not exist in California right now.

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    Bug_M-E-Not

    10/25/09 | Report as spam

    It depends on the opportunity, Tim...Do you have any good leads in China?

    I don't care to try my luck here. happy
    Chinese job fair

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    eslncn

    10/26/09 | Report as spam

    RE: China: Jobs Abound! (But Do Your Homework)

    Actually I was hoping more people would share their negative experiences gained while living and working in China. For example: "The language barriers, which prove hugely problematic Language and culture are two peas from the same pod. Language is used to describe our environment, and culture is defined by everything in the environment, including "time". Now this could be problematic if the host country's people have a tendency to walk 1 mpg instead of 3, and when on time = between 10 minutes late being acceptable. Having myself lived in China for six years now, I find language barriers the least problematic, and so wondered, what were Raby's barriers? He lost his job and said they the Chinese he dealt with were very unprofessional. In what ways I wonder. Most, if not all, ex-pats I've spoken with always have different versions of the same stories to tell. For example: Chinese can copy anything but few fall into the category of creative. Chinese can draw anything, but few fall into the catagory of being innovative.
    Or, as I was recently talking to a high level manager at Flextronics who said that his company actually regrets coming to China, as the average Chinese mindset is typical to (lets say closed), and the average engineer or designer gradutating from university each year (say, 250 million of them) are non thinkers, not creative, and only do what they're told, and they must be told time and time again. Again: the language barrier is quite problematic when meeting deadlines. What type of inept professionals have you had to deal with in your experiences living and working in China? I'd love to hear about them.

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    Bug_M-E-Not

    10/26/09 | Report as spam

    Go to the source

    eslncn....I doubt many expats in China are reading BNET.

    maybe you should ask these questions on shanghaiexpat.com?

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    huien01

    10/27/09 | Report as spam

    A former expat in China

    eslncn, I have previously worked in China. I speak the
    language, but just as there are differences between English
    and American English, there are differences between Chinese
    mandarin and other forms of mandarin. Those weren't the
    things that irked me the most. To be frank, the main reasons
    I hated my stint were (not in any order): 1. The lack of
    ethical behaviour, such as employees who saw their job as a
    chance to make more money on the side. 2. The lack of
    hygiene and common courtesy - for example, I regularly drew
    back my curtains in the morning to see my neighbour across
    the road pee off his top-floor balcony. 3. The noise, dirt,
    smog and general environmental issues exacerbated skin and
    breathing problems. 4. The creativity of employees when it
    comes to their personal earnings and lives, and absolute
    pretended lack of it when it comes to more work. Yes, I
    earned more. Yes, I could (and did) live in an expat bubble.
    Will I go back? It'll take more than half the money in the
    world to drag me back. And not even then. I've worked in
    many other parts of the world, and I've been much happier
    since I left China.

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    eslncn

    10/27/09 | Report as spam

    Re: a former expat in China

    huien01, yes it's always a different version of the same story.
    Seemingly, "The Never Ending Story" to me. I was talking to an Austrian Engineer the other day. English is his 2 or third language so he struggles a bit. He was telling me how difficult it was to train the Chinese machine opperators in his company. He said: (and I'll spell it like he pronounced it) - I have to tell dem, "No don't do it like dis. Do it like disssssssssss!" I ask dem to sand like dis but do do it like dis. So of course! I tell dem, I tell dem, den finally day do. And tomorrow, I have to do again.

    Another guy (the American Cheif Chemist for a manufacuring company in China) fills out a purchase order to buy the supplies needed to begin a new project. He is the only Chemist in the company and the only one with the chemical supplies book. He fills out the order and sends it to purchaing department via email. One week later he calls purchasing to ask about the status of his order. The purchasing department worker was a female Chinese, said: Oh no, I no order that for you. The American smiles and gentle asks: "oh....kay...can you tell me why? She said: The order number all wrong. He smiles, fighting back his anger, ands says: "Hold on, I'll be right down". He rushes to her office and says: "What do you mean the order number is wrong? I'm the only Chemist in this factory and you're telling me the order number is wrong. I'm the only one who has a catalogue of chemical compounds, and you're telling me the number is wrong? How can you do this? She said: No! You look! and points at the date on the purchase order. Instead of writing day, month, year, like is often the case for Chinese, he wrong: month, day, year, as is custom for Americans. He scratches his head and said: So on June-05, when you received this order and thought it read: May 05, but you knew it was not may fifth, and you knew it was june fifth, and you didn't put two and two together? He said: Why didn't you just change it? Or better yet, why didn't you just call me to come down and change it? She said: That's not my job!
    To make a long story short, she lost her job two days later.
    Yes - Living in China is an adventure. I'd recommend it to anyone who has a heart.

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